It’s a little more than two months away from the first game for the Oregon State football team and cyberspace is full of angst about the coming season.
So it’s time address some popular topics of discontent.
Eight players left the program last week. Some folks think that’s a disaster.
Well, the Beavers needed to cut loose some scholarship players to make room for recruits. Coach Mike Riley previously said there would be two greyshirts – the kicker and someone else. My guess is that it was going to be one of the American Samoa guys.
OSU waited until the physical results for Jordan Bishop (retired due to injury) to come in and put out the full list of guys leaving at once. It’s common for me to talk with Riley before training camp to get a long list of guys who didn’t come back.
The Beavers decided to get that out of the way now so that the team can move forward in August. That’s a good PR move. Get the hand-wringing out of the way now.
As for the talent let go, only Bishop is a blow. The others never stuck and were not going to stick. And I’m guessing some didn’t make grades or had other issues.
Another concern is the team has no depth. There are plenty of bodies. The question is if these are quality bodies. With college football, you won’t know until game time. It’s not like they are free agents or the top college players who were just drafted.
The only thing OSU could do with them was teach them in practice and film room, and work them out so they are prepared. That’s part of the charm of college football, seeing how each team develops.
There’s a big recruiting class coming in – including a JC LB. And there’s a slew of OL and DBs.
However, the 2-deep is pretty solid across the board. Some areas go to three deep, some the third person is in development.
Can the team sustain a string of injuries again? No. A team that doesn’t have four- and five-star players on the three-deep can’t. OSU’s success over the years came when players stayed healthy. A lot of that comes from luck. They haven’t had much the last two years.
Other teams fell apart. You could see it coming. The schedule now (with a Pac-12 title game) doesn’t allow for a midseason bye and that has hurt the Beavers (and other middle-level teams) big time. And that’s going to be a big-time issue from now on.
What about the DTs? That’s a good question. I thought more guys would be targeted in the last recruiting haul. However, if you look at the redshirt class, there are freshmen you haven’t heard of, a sophomore and a JC transfer who redshirted.
So I still maintain the Beavers can get six wins and go to a bowl game. That’s improvement and a year for those young guys to get better. That would make 2013 a potentially big year for OSU standards.
Some people don’t think that’s good enough. If you are at Florida, Ohio State, Texas or Alabama you would be right. The reality is that the Beavers can only do so much with the lack of money and the market they sit in.
The Pac-12 Networks will help, especially the money. However, as you can see Dish Network and DirecTV customers can’t see the games yet. So nothing’s perfect.
Settling for mediocrity is not good, but so are unrealistic expectations. Settling for a bowl game every once in a while is mediocrity. The Beavers need to make a bowl game eight of 10 years, and one those being a major bowl.
The time has come for a major bowl by 2013 or 2014.



89 comments
Pos0x45 says:
Jul 1, 2012
Beavers win eight this year.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 1, 2012
I agree, and so do the numbers.
http://cfbmatrix.com/portfolio/oregon-state/gallery/pac-12/
Nor-Cal Scott says:
Jul 3, 2012
3 wins. Maybe four if you get lucky.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 3, 2012
Cute story, duck fan.
Rick says:
Jul 1, 2012
Thanks for the update, Cliff. Speaking of offensive lineman, what do you know about Stan Hasiak coming in? I had read somewhere he may not be eligible for one reason or another. That would be a blow.
Macks says:
Jul 1, 2012
Cliff, I like your approach on this subject. Usually you throw out a big chunk of bait, stand back laughing, watching the ensuing frenzy without ever stepping in to explain the reality of being a beaver. Go Beavs.
Cliff Kirkpatrick says:
Jul 1, 2012
Sometimes, a topic is worth a blog discussion. Sometimes, I put out my thoughts. A lot of discussion happened on these news topics recently, so this time I put out my thoughts.
BeaverDon says:
Jul 1, 2012
Cliff,
What are you defining as major bowl? And what do you base this on? To me the Beavers have not been to a major bowl since they went to the Fiesta Bowl. They have never been to the Holiday Bowl, since the Fiesta the best they have done is the Sun Bowl. And the Sun Bowl is not a major bowl.
Cliff Kirkpatrick says:
Jul 1, 2012
The Holiday would be a good step up. Holiday and above is a major bowl, for the Beavers.
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
Holiday Bowl used to be a step up. Now it’s the Alamo Bowl or above.
How does busting the BCS affect bowl alliances?
dunerat says:
Jul 1, 2012
With only 1 possible win amongst non conference foes. Beavers will have to go 5-4 in conference to make a Bowl. Because of OL inexperience the Offense will start slow. With poor talent and depth at DT, teams will wear them down. Sorry, wish it could be better. If they stay healthy, they could improve over last year.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 1, 2012
The numbers disagree with you. Check out the college football matrix.
Ant says:
Jul 3, 2012
Beavers haven’t made a bowl game in the last two years. Wisconsin has been to two Rose Bowls in a row, losing both in close games. They also have Monte Ball back who figures to break the NCAA record in rushing. The numbers don’t make sense if they tell you that Oregon State is going to beat Wisconsin…or BYU for the matter. The fact that the numbers tell you that you’re going to lose to UCLA, makes me question what your numbers are smoking?
OSUSupporter says:
Jul 1, 2012
I like your assessment Cliff. It is time to get things moving in the right direction. We are young but when I see that our recruiting classes ranked at or near the bottom of the Pac12 in the last four years I have to think all the other teams have young talent also and probably they start with a more talented group of kids. For us to be improved, we need to have superior coaching and game experience. I believe we have given our young kids game experience but fail to see how our coaches can out coach any other group of coaches. So do you really think playing a bunch of young kids is really going to allow us to win more going forward?
floridabeav says:
Jul 2, 2012
Cliff: In a blog where you are putting out your thoughts on issues that are important to your readers, you have once again sidestepped criticism of the coaching staff. The web site has been aflame with this topic for the last year, yet you have no opinion or remain silent. You seem to find it much easier to point out that a nineteen year old running fumbles too much, than to question the game day preparation, play calling, or off-season efforts of grown men who have responsibilities for the program.
OSUSupporter says:
Jul 2, 2012
I agree floridabeav, the evidence points to poor coaching as the main culprit of our losing seasons lately. Looking back, it is the main reason why we suffered 28 consecutive losing seasons. The game has passed Riley by and that is why no highly rated recruits jump on an OSU offer early in the process. That said, I don’t think Cliff can really blast the coaching or else he will not be welcome on the “inside” of the Beaver football circle. Maybe someday Cliff will get a sports column at the Gazette and then he can have a license to comment as he sees fit but until that time we must do the ranting for him!
BeavsBelieve says:
Jul 2, 2012
I don’t believe I have seen any college football ‘expert’ agree with your assessment of bad coaching.
WFO says:
Jul 3, 2012
You may want to replay Urban Meyer’s commentary during the Wisconsin National TV blowout last year and Kyle Whittingham’s post Utah loss comments for “expert” coaching assessments.
Mark Banker should have been fired after the Utah loss.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 3, 2012
You can pick 2 bad games out of any coaches career, and call them a bad coach following that logic. Those are good examples of bad game plans for sure. They aren’t proof we don’t have good coaches. Our coaches consistently develop NFL caliber skill sets out of 2 and 3 star talent. That’s pretty dang good coaching.
oneoldbeav says:
Jul 4, 2012
@ Beavs Believe, “…pretty…good coaching.” Yes, putting guys in the NFL may indicate good coaching but it isn’t winning college coaching.
What is the goal of FB at OS(U)? To win games or prepare for the “next level”?
IMO, WFO gave an excellent response to your OP.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 4, 2012
Arguing with you is pointless. You don’t have a realistic idea of where this program is at. You think we should be in the rose bowl every year, and ranked in the top-5 preseason, or get a new coach. You’re basically not even on the same planet.
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
Arguing with you is pointless. You don’t have a realistic idea of where this program is at. You think we should be in a bowl every year, and ranked in the top-50 preseason, or get a new coach. You’re basically not even on the same planet.
*fixed*
doug says:
Jul 3, 2012
The fans are as much the reason OS suffered through 28 losing seasons.. a rebuilding process has to take place and every time the program reached that point OS fans expectations were not met and the Coach left. As a duck I was pleased when OS fans boo’d Kragthropes team in the first game of his last season…Kragthrope was a scary Coach and given one or two more years OS would have been one of the most explosive teams in the country.
Go Back OS fans and relive that 28 years before you consider dropping a Coach who really wants to be there and will be successful if he is given the time and the “FINANCIAL” needed to be successful!! Other wise be ready for the hard road back.
By the way Duck Fan here and I want a Strong OS program to keep Washington from coming back!! Support your beavers
Cliff Kirkpatrick says:
Jul 2, 2012
When there are coaching blunders, they are addressed. Right now, there are no calls being played. And you never know what recruiting gets until the letters of intent are faxed in. That’s seven months from now.
Doug says:
Jul 3, 2012
Cliff
can this Duck fan note that the College Football Matrix (dot com) ranks Riley as one of the tough coaches in the conference as well as the country…on the fan today he called Beavers fans who are wanting Riley removed from the program foolish…
This Duck fan has noted that several key Oregon players that would more than likely gone to OS are heading to BYU and Washington… tell you what I think negative OS fans are more to blame than so called bad Coaching!!
Time to put up or shut up and give program time needed to rise again!! Oregon went through their growing pains!! OS needs to too
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
“This Duck fan has noted that several key Oregon players that would more than likely gone to OS are heading to BYU and Washington… tell you what I think negative OS fans are more to blame than so called bad Coaching!!”
So kids who would have gone to OSU but choose BYU and UW instead are negative operating system fans?
Jerry2005 says:
Jul 4, 2012
So I guess the lack of off season productivity in recruiting this year can be ignored since they are not calling plays right now??? If our lay around coaches don’t recruit better than this we wont have the numbers to field a team to blog about anyhow…
Recruiting is a part of their job, game planning is a part of their job, exciting the fans in the off season is part of their job, WINNING is their job!!! After not fulfilling the requirements of their jobs for the last few years I just do not understand how they are still employed. Any normal person failing in the four main areas of their profession would be out of work right now.
Our staff needs to figure this thing out and make some noise in recruiting THIS YEAR. They cant be content with one fine class last year, we need that effort every year to ensure success of our program.
I also want to read about our coaches visiting off season coaching clinics. It’s obvious they will not adopt any new effective offensive plays but the least they could do is figure out how to defend against the new college game being played… I am tired of press conferences where a play goes wrong and the coach lays the blame on a player by saying something like “we need to work harder”. They are right “WE” as in coach being interviewed, need to work harder. All the work I have seen is from the players and not the coaches, when are they going to improve their skill sets also?
Other programs have injuries, other programs have players leave, other programs can’t recruit interior lineman to run the 4-3, and other programs make adjustments for these situations. Mike and friends need to make the necessary adjustments or its time for them to join non productive workers in the bread line…
This entire rant is courtesy of me having time to comprehend the fact Penn State has the #14 class in the country right now and we have one 2 star reject and a bunch of homer fans saying we need to keep waiting for our great coaches to right this ship. News flash our “great coaches” are the ones that have ran this ship to ground.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 6, 2012
Wow, really? 2 star reject? You really think that’s appropriate. I think you just proved the point of the post you are responding to. What if that kid is reading this? Why would any player want to come to a school where his own (supposed) fans are calling him a reject because some football site didn’t call him the best in the country. Honestly, go somewhere else. It’s jerks like you that make players not want to play for our school. How dare you call someone you know nothing about a reject. Your parents should have taught you to have a little more respect. You need to grow up a little bit. Stop calling people names before you know anything about them.
Jerry2005 says:
Jul 6, 2012
Look closer Believe, that reply was to Cliff’s post about “coaching blunders” being addressed. They have not!!!
If you can read through that entire post and get upset by three words, I’m fine with that. It was intended to describe the coaches recruiting efforts more than the players abilities anyhow.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 6, 2012
You just justified calling a kid a reject. Congratulations. Feel proud.
Jerry2005 says:
Jul 6, 2012
I am proud.
You keep your blinders on.
With support like yours we will surely secure at most three wins a season for another 28 years…
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 7, 2012
I would rather watch OS win three games a season for 28 years then sacrifice my integrity, so that I could call a high school kid a reject. That’s a pretty sad outlook, and it exemplifies more then one problem.
bone says:
Jul 2, 2012
Cliff, do you know any of the plans to improve the gameday atmosphere?
Cliff Kirkpatrick says:
Jul 2, 2012
Not, yet. The new marketing guy is working it out. I hope to catch up with him soon.
BeaverDon says:
Jul 2, 2012
Has winning games been considered? I would think that winning games would go a long way towards inproveing the gameday atmosphere.
bone says:
Jul 2, 2012
I completely agree. I was just wondering if there had been any more plans since we brought in that new marketing guy a few months ago.
maffu72 says:
Jul 3, 2012
You know what would improve the game day experience? Fans that screamed & cheered & went otherwise nuts… and saved their b!tching for AFTER the game.
It’s a deplorable game experience. It’s not fun. The fans have scowls on their faces. If I were a recruit, I’d have serious reservations about coming to play in Corvallis for these reasons alone.
I honestly had more fun coming to Beaver games during “the streak” than I do now. Back then, the fans were excited & filled with hope. Now they’re resigned & cynical. Comments will follow on how this phenomenon is Riley’s fault. I disagree… I think the frenzied excitement of college football (missing for awhile in Corvallis) is all about the fans.
We fans have become entitlement-minded. The last time I made this complaint at a Beaver game, the fan I directed my criticism replied “I’ll start making noise when THEY [the Beavers] start playing well.”
It’s why I have no interest in renewing my season tickets. Those same tickets I purchased during “the streak”.
fahlgren says:
Jul 3, 2012
What is exciting about watching your team win three games?
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
Sorry. Those fans that scream and go nuts will be escorted out of the stadium. Those that remain will be shown proper exit strategies for the whole of the second half.
reserrodent says:
Jul 3, 2012
Buy a ticket, that will help. I’m sure you don’t.
maffu72 says:
Jul 5, 2012
The exchange I described happened in 2008 versus AZ State.
Inexcusable.
tcinaz says:
Jul 2, 2012
One subject Cliff does not address is what the departure of 8 players from the program means in terms of recruiting judgment, and program development. 8 players plus two or three others who left the program earlier, mean that over 10% of the players these coaches at one time judged as athletes capable of helping the program can’t now. Play that out over four years, the eligibility of a player, and it means that 30 to 40% of the players selected by these coaches are not what they at one time deemed them to be. That is not something that gives an objective observer a great deal of hope or faith in the talent assessment abilities of this staff. Add to that the hole these players leave. After three eligible years, the loss of Jordan Bishop means that OSU gets a scholarship back and a player who lacks Bishop’s three years of development in the program, plus the question marks of judgment are still applicable. In the case of the other seven players of this latest loss, each year those players spent in the program were wasted because those players must be replaced at ground zero; zero experience, zero development, zero guarantee of success. That doesn’t argue for great faith or hope that the guys who have created these holes in their own program through their own judgment could really know what to do to fix it, since they caused this themselves in the first palce.
ChrisOSAlum says:
Jul 2, 2012
Cliff has addressed this issue in previous blogs. The moves were necessary to get the roster down to 85 scholarships. Recruiting is like a box of chocolates; you never know what you are going to get. Some players did not pan out and others did. Bishop is being retired due to injuries and I would say that he was a good recruit.
It woud be interesting to find out how many of the 4 star kids wash out and how many of the 2-3 star kids turn out to be great. Riley is basically doing what the A’s did in “Moneyball”, locating the undervalued talent. Other schools watch who OSU recruits and then try to pull them away. That in itself reveals much more to me about the talent evaluation than the fact that 8 kids lost their spots because they were too far down on the depth chart to make an impact. Performance is what earns the scholarship and if you can’t perform you make way for someone else.
OSUSupporter says:
Jul 2, 2012
Cliff, given that these roster moves were made to make room for all the recruits, then is it safe to say they all got accepted academically and will be present in the fall?
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
No, it is not. Academics played a part in one or some leaving.
dunerat says:
Jul 2, 2012
It is sad to say this is ’97 all over again. After all these years we have regressed back to where it all started for Riley. If so, we can hope history repeats itself. And we have what we had in ’98 and ’99.
dili says:
Jul 2, 2012
Over a month ago I opened the door on the fact that the Beavers trailed badly in recruiting among all other Pac 12 schools. At that time the other shcools already had 4-8 committs on average and we had zero. Since then the other schools are averaging 6-9 recruits on average and the Beavers did finally get one recruit, a marginal 2-star. But good golly Ms. Molly, we are sucking and it is because Riley and his incompetent assistant coaching fools have increasingly become disrespected and a laughing stock in the Pac-12 recruiting circles. This year has the makings of an all-time disastrous recruiting year. If this happens only Bob decarolis and Riley are to blame for letting things slip into this abismal pit. Many of us have seen this coming for almost three years and have tried to warn you old-time polyannas and accepters of mediocrity. The numbers speak for themselves, let’s face it. Many of the best players are already committed others are signing up by the day. We don’t have a single one except this one two star who no one has ever heard of. The Ducks for example have four three stars, two four stars and one five star. Cliff please don’t say it is still early. We are losing the best players by the day with little expectation to get anything but the leftovers. Let’s hear your objective take on this. Thanks
FAUBeav says:
Jul 3, 2012
Great insight Cliff. Unfortunately it appears many fans still cannot comprehend realistic expectations. Now I am not talking about wins and losses, I like everyone else am disappointed with the losses the last few seasons, rather I am talking about the recruiting battle to bring impact players to Corvallis. I find it laughable that some fans cannot comprehend how difficult it is to recruit here. The only place probably more difficult to recruit to in the PAC-12 is WSU, and look where that program has been the past few years. If fans want to to help oh with the recruiting process, donate more to BASF, get to the game early, get back to your seat before the second half. Make the atmosphere exciting. I know the last few years have been frustrating, but we are not helping sell recruits when we can’t sellout any games
Pos0x45 says:
Jul 3, 2012
Great quote from CFBMatrix:
“Mike Riley – Oregon State – Dear Beaver Fan in my backyard. If you think getting rid of Riley is even a remotely good idea…. you’re an idiot. One slightly off year, 3 wins was just 1 away from where the CFBMatrix put the talent win level at in 2011, and people start complaining. What he has done with the talent, location and lack of new facilities in the last decade is nothing short of sensational. The guy grew up in Corvallis so who is going to sell it better or harder? One -1 coach effect year and you need a new coach? He goes out when he wants to go out.”
What I am really thankful for is that all the “chicken little’s” running around crying “it is the end of football as we have known it, uhh… for the past ten years” are not in charge of making any decisions.
alex says:
Jul 3, 2012
And who is responsible for a “4 win” talent level? That came from injuries sure, but also from several years of egregiously poor recruiting. Injuries happen to every team, and it’s a pretty crappy excuse for poor talent.
I don’t honestly think the sky is falling. I think Riley can get back to winning 6-8 wins a season. But I don’t think Riley can get us to a Rose Bowl, and I’m not sure he can ever beat Mr. Kelly down south. And I’m not content with that.
I don’t think we ought to fire Riley ASAP. But I want a 3-5 year plan to phase him out, and bring in the right person. Riley is analogous to Brooks or Belotti down south, and his work was critical to the program. But he will not take us to the next level, plain and simple.
I would love to see new coordinators- not only because of the incumbents’ poor performance, but also in the hopes of grooming the next Chip Kelly. That model worked great for them, and it could work for us too.
fahlgren says:
Jul 3, 2012
Oh, well if the CFBMatrix says so…
Pos0x45 says:
Jul 3, 2012
As opposed to chicken littles/negative nancies saying so?
fahlgren says:
Jul 3, 2012
I can put up a website that says anything too, it’s not very difficult.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 3, 2012
Probably true. You could put up a website. The difference is that as usual, you don’t have any facts behind your statements.
fahlgren says:
Jul 3, 2012
@Beavs Believe, what are you talking about? Were facts required for what I said? I’m just wondering how CFBMatrix became the end-all be-all source of truth regarding the Beavers. I guess the site supports your beliefs so that makes it a good source.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 3, 2012
And it doesn’t support yours, so that makes it a bad one? You still haven’t put out any data to back up your sarcastic statement implying it was faulty. I don’t expect you will though. You strike me as someone who expresses opinions based on emotion, and not facts.
Pos0x45 says:
Jul 3, 2012
Wow fahlgren. Who said the CFBMatrix was the “end-all be-all source of truth regarding the Beavers?”
I said I liked the quote.
And, I am guessing you didn’t bother to check out the site or maybe you could have provided some sort of rational reasoning for disregarding what it has to say.
Do you have a link to a web site that you have put together? I would go check it out. But I am guessing that you have never done anything like that based on your comment about putting up a website being “not very difficult.” Prove you’re not talking out of your third eye, post us a link.
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
“What he has done with the talent, location and lack of new facilities in the last decade is nothing short of sensational.”
What kind of crap is this? Lack of new facilities in the last decade? Lack of talent? Riley had good players playing in brand spanking new digs not five years ago. Guess what… he won with those conditions.
Are we to believe that five years makes “new” not new anymore? I agree with those who point to the talent on the field the last two years and blame the people who put that talent there–the coaches. But I also look at the talent we have left and know we’ll be winning again for another couple years. Thank you graduation.
Right now we’re looking at the recruiting situation, and we’re thinking this recruiting class is going to be the same as the 2006-08 classes. Will we be looking at the talent on the field in five years and hear vague excuses from apologists about the players and their lack of talent rather than placing blame on the people who forgot it took players and talent to play this game? Oh sure half the roster from 2012 will be in the NFL. But the dearth of talent following them will mysteriously be the negative fans’ fault?
Pos0x45 says:
Jul 6, 2012
Who said anything about anything being the fault of fans negative or otherwise? A few good years, some head to head competition with the Ducks, and you guys act like you’re entitled. And now the Ducks have elevated their program beyond what the Beavers have. $330,000,000 will do that for you. It’s just nonsense to try and rationalize that away. Mike Riley has done and is still doing an amazing job which is why his peers and people who know football think and speak so highly of him. Who do you think brought this program which had been so dismal for so many years out of the gutter? And don’t say DE, he won the Fiesta Bowl with mostly MR recruits. All you whiny complainers fueled by Duck envy contribute nothing to the success or failure of the program unless you donate money. If you truly want the same kind of success as UO then pony up and match Phil Knight’s contributions. Reading a lot of these posts is like listening to someone gripe about elected officials when they never bothered to vote.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 6, 2012
^ This. ^ This. Oh! ^ So much this.
Jerry2005 says:
Jul 3, 2012
Penn State is sitting on the 14th ranked recruiting class in the country right now. OSU has no excuses for poor recruiting other than the staff recruiting them!!!
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
Well now… I’m glad you pointed at Pullman as an example. Their zero commits makes your argument clear.
Get off the “poor me, recwuiting to Corvawis is soooo hard” garbage. It’s not unless you make it so.
Pos0x45 says:
Jul 6, 2012
And you know this because you are a recruiter and have recruited in multiple places including Corvallis?
Jarred says:
Jul 3, 2012
I think that people are wrong about Riley. I think that Riley can take us to the next level. I believe that if OSU is able to invest more funding into better facilities (stadium, weight rooms, etc.) that we will be more evenly matched in the recruiting battle. I would also like to see what happens with the marketing department over the next two years as I have heard that that there are some good things on the verge of happening in that realm that will do nothing but bolster OSU notoriety and hopefully recruiting.
I think that Riliey made some good off season staff changes that will help OSU. I am not sure if more will be needed or not. I think that the results of this season will really determine what additional staffing changes will take place. The reality is that we are going to face more fast spread or option based offenses this year, so OSU better learn to stop them or we are only going to have one or two wins this year which will really set the message boards on fire with people hunting for staff changes. The direction that the PAC 12 is headed is do or die for the OSU football staff. The downside is I do think that coordinators that we have would be awesome at a school that got better talent up front without having to do so much development work to make the players usable.
I do agree with Alex that we should be grooming the next coach in the OC or DC positions, and I am not sure that we have that horse in our stable at this point, only time will tell.
Duck In Seattle says:
Jul 3, 2012
Baby steps, little brother. Baby steps.
Tagup says:
Jul 5, 2012
Yup, thats the way it works when you don’t cheat or have a wad of cash to give to the Willie Lyles of the world…..I wonder what the final cost of the cleaner will be?
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
What was that little sis?
Jerry2005 says:
Jul 3, 2012
Cliff.
Has moving the student section ever been considered at OSU?
When I was a student(before the expansion) I always wanted to be behind the visiting team where my banter and noise might actually be heard. At the time those were premium seats and they were obviously not going to be given away for free. That is no longer a concern.
Students are always louder and more disruptive, we need them behind the visiting team. In a small way that disruption might help improve the game day experience.
Bone says:
Jul 3, 2012
I love that idea.
Jim says:
Jul 3, 2012
I’ve always assumed they try to separate the visiting team from the students to lessen the chance of incidences between the two. I think that’s probably wise.
WashingtonDCduck says:
Jul 3, 2012
The problem with Oregon State is a lack of elite athletes. Oregon State will never lack blue collar lunch pail guys who will work their butt off for Riley and compete in the trenches. OSU has a tradition of finding diamonds in the rough, or if you will lower rated recruits or former walk-ons, who shine and outperform high touted guys.
The Beavers have been able to attract guys though that are highly touted and win recruiting battles, i.e. Stephen Jackson out of Las Vegas who was a bruising running back that many BCS programs would have loved to have on their roster. It doesn’t appear from an outsider looking in that OSU is getting those guys in the past few recruiting cycles.
Is Mike Riley and his staff content and comfortable their jobs are not in danger? I’m not so sure about that line of thinking. I think Riley loves Corvalis and OSU and wants to win, and is out there in kids living rooms trying to convince them to play in Corvalis. I think other football programs however are building shinier facilities, stadium additions, and putting a product on the field that’s more attractive to 16-18yr H.S. kids to play in.
Coach Riley can flat out coach guys, and does more with less. His track record proves that. Conversely, in 2012 if Oregon State fumbles to another losing season and is not competitive with the upper echelon teams on their schedule his seat will be incredibly warm. Might be time to start over.
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 3, 2012
That’s actually a really fair assessment. I think you hit it pretty well. There are several reasons (not excuses) that we have had a bad couple of years. One of them is not getting it done in recruiting, but also having recruits not work out or not play for several different reasons. When a recruit doesn’t work out, or gets injured, or leaves, that isn’t always on the coaching staff.
I think the recruiting issues were addressed with some coaching changes, and we will see a bump in the recruiting over the next few years. Beaver nation needs to stay positive, and help contribute to an environment that will make recruits WANT to come here. Attitude is probably as important as money.
I think we have a good season coming up. Go Beavs.
alex says:
Jul 3, 2012
Setting aside the current hot topics of Riley criticism (recruiting, playcalls, schemes) we are left with a few truisms.
Riley’s teams start horribly slow, and stink up the whole month of September. No exceptions to this in 11 years. Lots of embarassing national TV blowouts along the way.
Riley’s in-game management is very poor:
Classic examples are timeouts and general clock management. MANY absolute screw-ups towards the end of the 2nd or 4th quarters. And I don’t know how many Beaver timeouts have gone unused.
He does NOT work the refs*. Doesn’t dispute calls, doesn’t fight for his players. When you have Kelly or Harbaugh in one ear, and Mr. Passive Riley nodding and smiling on the other side, even a neutral ref is going to shift against him over the course of the game. It’s human nature. This is a bad one.
*Interestingly, every now and then, Riley comes into a game legitimately fired up (2010 vs USC, 2011 vs WSU). When this happens, the team gets fired up with him and plays vastly better. Night and day difference in him and the team. The Beavs also get more calls. Why doesn’t this happen more??? If he could sustain the passion, it might be a whole different Beavers season. I’m curious whether this is a “can’t” or a “won’t”.
Pos0x45 says:
Jul 6, 2012
“He does NOT work the refs*. Doesn’t dispute calls, doesn’t fight for his players. When you have Kelly or Harbaugh in one ear, and Mr. Passive Riley nodding and smiling on the other side, even a neutral ref is going to shift against him over the course of the game. It’s human nature. This is a bad one.”
I agree
I think this is where MR could really stand to improve. It is a problem and a lot of people recognize that. I hope we see some some changes.
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
Riley doesn’t do more with less. He does some with some and less with less. Everyone has diamonds and walk-ons. We get a couple 220 pound walk-on linemen from Jesuit, and Stanford gets Owen Marecic. We get Jake Gelakoska and Boise gets Kellen Clemens. We’ll have a RS frosh or a frosh at RB, and we’ll be happy with him because he’ll be behind a line who can’t hide behind the “well they have years of experience” canard anymore. The Ducks have a CB at RB who will likely be all-conference this season.
When you’re talking walk-ons, are you talking about a WR who absolutely smashed all state records in high school then had to walk on to his own in-state program? Or are you talking about a QB whose only winning years were not under Riley?
Beavs Believe says:
Jul 6, 2012
Nothing you said there made any sense.
goducksrjg says:
Jul 3, 2012
This is not because I am a Duck fan, but there is only one sure fire win on that schedule. You will start 1-0 and could very easily finish 1-11. This is going to be a long season for you guys. With your lack of talent and coach that is unwilling or unable to adapt to the ever changing landscape, you are in for a long road. Sorry.
Funk Wise says:
Jul 3, 2012
Kirkness,
Pretty good article, but one glaring error (misprint?): This sentence..
“Some people don’t think that’s good enough. If you are at Florida, Ohio State, Texas or Alabama you would be right. The reality is that the Beavers can only do so much with the lack of money and the market they sit in.”
SHOULD READ:
“Some people don’t think that’s good enough. If you are at Florida, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas or Alabama you would be right. The reality is that the Beavers can only do so much with the lack of money and the market they sit in.”
Mike says:
Jul 4, 2012
The issue is the game of football and the teams in the PAC 12 have all moved past Riley and his crew.This has been obvious for the last 2-3 years and while the other squads are getting their acts together, we are still playing as though this was the 1980′s.
We need a coach that can coach the spread, defend the spread and win OOC and PAC 12 football games. There is no difference between eugene and Corvallis in terms of weather. When it comes to education, it’s better at OSU ( salary comparisons ), when it comes to facilities, we are lacking.
Look at what Casey has done bringing in fair weather baseball players..we always get ranked in the top ten. Riley cannot coach, motivate or recruit. He has lost whatever magic he had…it’s all about the past.
I want Riley to succeed, but he needs to get a fire lighted under him.Of course duck fans want us to keep him……..we are NO threat as long as he is the head football coach. Let’s tell him he had a nice run, give him a buyout and go after someone that can get it done.
james says:
Jul 5, 2012
Hire Bobby Petrino!
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
If that happened, I would immediately cancel all season tickets for every sport. The only thing worse would be to rehire Lynn Snyder.
Oh… to give that louse some credit for being a decent college football coach (even if he’s a monumental failure in every other aspect of his life)… Bobby Petrino did more with less at Louisville. OSU fans know this too well.
Brad says:
Jul 5, 2012
I’m concerned in two areas.
1. Running back by committee. I’m not sold on this and personally think the Beavs need to focus on one player and give him the reigns. I don’t have a lot of info on this so if anyone can add to this, I’m all ears.
2. Stopping the run. Banker has done a terrible job at this for several years now and I think he’s capable of it anymore as more teams adopt some option in their O. I know he’s had injuries to deal with, but come on. The Beavs used to only allow less than 100yds a game, now they can barely run for that themselves and allow a couple hundred yards on us every game.
Thoughts?
Beavrob says:
Jul 5, 2012
1. I think the running game can work either way and there are strengths and weaknesses to each approach. My preference is, utilize all the talent that you have at your disposal. If someone like Quizz is my only option, then I go with the 1 back approach. Unfortunately that means if he gets hurt then my running game is finished. If I have multiple capable players, then I use them all – that way there are fresh legs going into to each play, there is less chance of injury but less worry if there is one, and each player brings something at least slightly different to the offense. The downside of there is less chance of an RB finding their rhythm and a sub may tip the hand on what kind of play is called. The Ducks seem to utilize multiple backs very well. I think the Beavers have multiple backs they can and should use. But the real problem with the running game is not the RB-by-committee approach, it is the offensive line. If they do not improve over last year then it will not matter which RB approach is used.
2. For starters, due to injuries and other reasons, the Beavers returned one starter on defense last year. Also, the Beavs were very thin at the DT position last year. After Castro’s injury the D-line was pushed into the secondary or on their backs. The LBs were also ineffective last year, especially after Unga’s injury. If all returning starters make it to the season in one piece, the defense will be much better this year (although DT depth is still scary). What Banker needs to work on is stopping the spread option offense, and offenses with a mobile QB.
Brad says:
Jul 6, 2012
Yo Beavrob,
I agree with you assessment, especially the O line. I should’ve added that as a 3rd concern. As for RBs, I miss the days of SJackson running people over and loved to watch Quizz do his shuck-n-jive around defenses, but your right that it comes down to the talent Riley has to work with.
As for stopping the spread option and fast running QBs, I don’t think Banker has the goods to get it done. With more teams adding some form of the option into their arsenal, I think we need to find a new D coordinator. Just my .02.
Thanks for your take bro!
rejectmediocrity says:
Jul 5, 2012
My view is this, Cliff. If we have 8 guys (7 less Bishop) who are not good enought to stick it is a reflection on the quality of recruits we are bringing in. This is on the coaches who decide who to allot scholarships to. I am unaware of any other program in the country that lets 8 guys go al at the same time. Still another bad mark on Riley’s program! It’s time for a major change of directon for OSDU football!
Jack says:
Jul 5, 2012
Every school has attrition. Players and schools announce it as it happens most often. But usually all those players stay in school and finish their classes before moving on. Those who are lucky enough to be wanted somewhere else transfer to be a part of spring ball. But most just leave at the end of the year.
And there are varying reasons for these kids leaving. Some are academics. Some like their girlfriends more than they like being at meetings. Etc., etc., etc.
Beavrob says:
Jul 5, 2012
If two players were leaving per week for the last four weeks, you would still be complaining of a mass exodus of players. Personally I prefer the single announcement over several such announcements. Regardless of the quality of the recruits, the reality is there are only 85 scholarships, and there are more players than scholarships. Do you really think OSU is the only school that has this problem? Fans complain because OSU is not getting enough commitments, but when OSU overcommits, fans complain because some players decide to go because there are not enough scholarships. This is nothing to fret about. Let’s get it behind us and look forward to fall practice. Go Beavs!
phil says:
Jul 6, 2012
this hole blog is a joke. you fans sound like my 2 year old get back to the game and have fun watching football for what it is.
Mike says:
Jul 13, 2012
Much angst and many truisms.
Riley needs a coach that can coach offense, a coach that can coach defense and a barnburning recruiter.Does Boise state ring a bell ? Get Peterson and move Riley to AD.